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  What a bullshit  "disease".  What a crock of shit sickness.  Get your ass out of the house, exercise and eat right and maybe one day you'll be able to sit and watch a movie without talking or getting up, maybe you'll be able to read a book halfway through, maybe you'll be able to fall asleep properly.  Maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to shut up and pay attention!  What a crock of shit excuse for the medical/drug industry to sell more drugs !  They have to make up fake disorders in order to stay in business.  Erectile disfunction.. give me a break, it's called getting old and dying!  60 is not the new 40. You'll be dead in a few years, get over it!  Hey.. eat your vegetables, live long and prosper!

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What is it with this vendetta

What is it with this vendetta you have against ADD? As I've already told you, ADD is a very real disorder and I find your blatant ignorance on this issue insulting. It is an extensively researched condition, which is shown to have a strong genetic component.

When you treat someone suffering from ADD as if they're just lazy—as you do—all it does is dramatically increase their chances of falling prey to depression, anxiety, drug abuse, etc... If, on the other hand, you recognize the problem and treat it therapeutically, then the person can go on to contribute greatly to society and live a fulfilling life.

I'm on the fence

When you treat someone with ADD with these medications they also suffer from depression, anxiety, drug abuse, etc..  The medication these kids are placed on are CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES which means they are addictive and we all know where addiction can lead. I also question the validity of these studies as they are often conducted by drug companies who have been known to pull shady scams to get what they want.

I'm not saying ADD isn't real but I do think it is over diagnosed. We have too many pill popping ADD addicts these days whose futures could be negatively impacted by a false ADD diagnosis.  We should have more studies from companies that don't have a vested interest in the study outcome.  

Instead of pumpimg these kids full of narcotics why not try something less.....addictive?  Treat them with specialized diets, I have seen first hand that diets can affected a disability. I noticed that when I worked with people who had Down's Syndrome that the men who ate proper meals/diets where much better to work with than those who didn't.

We could also work on techniques that could help those with ADD work around this "disability". Work with students to teach study skills, place them in classes with teachers trained to deal with ADD students, and have parents actively seeking activities to help these kids. 

I think its unfortunate that we medicate these people and call it a day instead of working to find ways to work with the problems they have.  People with ADD (real disorder or not) are not helpless or handicaped but are treated as such, which is not doing them any service.  I don't even treat the handicapped people I work with as being disabled, I work with them to make thier lives as normal as possible. If you treat someone as if they are helpless then they will be, treat them as normal as possible and they'll be bettter off in the long run.

 

I agree.

I'm with you rkinne01 I thing the condition is wayyyyyyyy over diagnosed!

First, I should point out

First, I should point out that while many people use ADD and ADHD interchangeably, technically the base disorder is ADHD (Attention-deficit Hyperactivity Disorder). ADD is a legacy term for one of the recognized sub-types of ADHD, now called ADHD-PI (Primarily Inattentive). Of course the term ADD is still used in popular culture and I myself use it regularly.

The question of ADHD's existence and that of its treatment are two separate issues. My primary concern is the misguided labeling of ADHD as a fake disorder. There has been a great deal of research on the nature of ADHD, conducted by reputable researchers, outside the purview of drug companies. Once you're willing to acknowledge the existence of the condition, we can then begin to discuss its treatment. 

When you treat someone with ADD with these medications they also suffer from depression, anxiety, drug abuse, etc..  The medication these kids are placed on are CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES which means they are addictive and we all know where addiction can lead.

This highlights several misconceptions about ADHD and its treatment. First of all, we should be clear that while people with ADHD are more likely to also have depression and anxiety disorders, these disorders are not caused by medication. In fact, they are often improved by medication. Also, there are many different kinds of medication that are used to treat ADHD. This includes some anti-depresants, which are completely non-adictive even in normal populations. However, the drugs most associated with ADHD are psycho-stimulants, like Ritalin. This is not without good reason, since 70-80% of children with ADHD respond positively to these medications. Yes, these are controlled substances, but your assumptions are wrong. Several studies have followed children with ADHD for ten or more years and concluded that clinical use of these medications does not increase the risk of substance abuse. In fact, they have shown that treatment can greatly decrease the risk of substance abuse.

When people in the general population take psyco-stimulants, it wires them and they get a high. But in people with ADHD the drugs can actually have a calming effect. When it works, the effect can be like night and day. Within an hour or less of taking the medication the person's thoughts become clearer, their attention span increases, so they are able to concentrate on tasks, their impulsivity decreases and their frustration tolerance improves. They generally feel more control over themselves and are better able to organize. Even their handwriting tends to improve.

Now I'm not saying that everyone should start popping pills. I'm just saying that we shouldn't write-off medication all together. We need to weigh the pros and cons on a case-by-case basis. In some cases it isn't necessary, but in others it can be transformative. Whatever we do, we shouldn't rush to judgement or demonize stimulants just because it doesn't feel right to use them as a treatment.

I also agree that there is much to be said for a proper diet, exercise and a healthy sleep schedule. Cognitive behavioral therapy can also be a huge help in many cases. We should never treat medication as the end-all-be-all cure, but there isn't a one-size-fits-all treatment for ADHD. 

People with ADD (real disorder or not) are not helpless or handicaped but are treated as such, which is not doing them any service.  I don't even treat the handicapped people I work with as being disabled, I work with them to make thier lives as normal as possible. If you treat someone as if they are helpless then they will be, treat them as normal as possible and they'll be bettter off in the long run.

In principal I agree with you. However, there are some caveats. If someone has a physical handicap, it is often obvious to those around them. But when you have ADHD, no one knows. And even if you tell them, most people just see it as an excuse and assume you're lazy, or your not trying hard enough. If you want someone to with ADHD to lead a normal life, then you cant ignore the fact that they have ADHD and treat them like they're just lazy. That will only exacerbate their difficulties, destroy their self-esteem and drive them to more delinquent disorders (including drug abuse). You need to acknowledge the condition and help them find ways to work around it. Simply acknowledging that they have a condition which is going to make certain things exceedingly difficult for them is often very therapeutic. 

For what it's worth, people with ADHD are not remotely helpless. In fact, when it comes to some things—like creative thinking and problem solving—they are often more gifted than most. But many of the tasks in life that most people take for granted are seemingly impossible for those with ADHD. So call them "differently-abled," if you wish, but don't deny their struggles. 

Baloney

Yeah those drugs might be effective now, but what are the long term affects of using them? Chemical dependence, the drugs might lose effectiveness overtime, and a lack of data on the long term effects of these drugs is alarming. We can't continue to simply pop pills for everyone with a problem. Wouldn't it be better to teach these people to work around a disability rather the doping them up?  Why not teach young children study skills that could help them excel in school? Why not provide job training programs that will help these people find employment that suits the ADD disorder?  The reason is two-fold: The pharmaceutical companies make way to much money to allow this cash cow to be diminished and the parents of these kids are too f'ing lazy to do any research on the subject.

If I had kids it would be a cold day in hell before a narcotic like Ritalin is given to him or her.

Not a believer in it either..

I am not at all convinced about all the hoopla about ADD or ADHD. My boyfriends daughter "supposedly" has it and is on Ritalin. I think its bullshit.. Every time she comes to our house on weekends, she acts pretty decent, and thats because we discipline her ass, and you guessed it, she doesn't take meds when she is with us. I think alot of it can be related to some parents just not wanting to deal with the child being an unruly, brat..Medicate them..yeah, that will fix the problem. (YES, I AM BEING A SMART ASS). So what, they just outgrown the need for the medicine after they become older?? BS again...How is the problem, if there is one, for the benefit of you that believe there is, getting fixed? Are the kids all in counseling about their behavior? Say you have headaches for years and they are daily, and you just keep taking Tylenol/Advil, or what ever for the pain. Do the headaches just go away after years and years or perhaps they are the result of another problem that needs to be dealt with..

Roses are Red...

Violets are Blue...

I'm ADD...

Hey Look! A Bird!

Yeah those drugs might be

Yeah those drugs might be effective now, but what are the long term affects of using them?

I agree there should be more longterm studies of such medications, but that's true of most medications. However, the current data suggests no ill effects in the long term. Besides, often the medication doesn't need to be a permanent solution. But in many cases it can provide a needed boost while people learn other coping mechanisms.

Why not teach young children study skills that could help them excel in school? Why not provide job training programs that will help these people find employment that suits the ADD disorder?

Why does it have to be an either-or solution? There's no reason why a treatment plan cant include both counseling and medication.

The pharmaceutical companies make way to much money to allow this cash cow to be diminished and the parents of these kids are too f'ing lazy to do any research on the subject.

Not everyone who takes psycho-stimulants, or gives them to their children, do so out of laziness. Many of them do lots of research and are very well informed. It is a choice, and like every other choice in life it has pros and cons which must be weighed. Don't judge people so harshly just because they made a different choice than you would of. You are not walking in their shoes and don't know what experiences may have shaped their decision. 

I think alot of it can be related to some parents just not wanting to deal with the child being an unruly, brat..Medicate them..yeah, that will fix the problem.

ADHD has nothing to do with parenting. It is a physiological condition, with a strong genetic basis. Treating a child like they're being willfully unruly, when in fact they are suffering from a potentially debilitating condition, is only going to hurt them further. 

So what, they just outgrown the need for the medicine after they become older??

Um. Yes. At least sometimes it they do. Why does that seem so strange to you? There are HUGE changes in our bodies as we age. Why wouldn't these changes have an impact on our neurology? 

How is the problem, if there is one, for the benefit of you that believe there is, getting fixed? Are the kids all in counseling about their behavior?

They should be, but given the sorry state of education and healthcare in this country, they aren't. Many kids with ADHD are written off as lazy and unruly by uninformed parents and poorly trained teachers. 

Say you have headaches for years and they are daily, and you just keep taking Tylenol/Advil, or what ever for the pain. Do the headaches just go away after years and years or perhaps they are the result of another problem that needs to be dealt with.

Actually, sometimes they do just go away as we get older. There are lots of medical conditions that only effect people during childhood, or that don't appear until adolescence, or adulthood, or old age. 

A few things to keep in mind are:

  1. ADHD doesn't always involve hyperactivity. In many people it presents as an attention deficit without hyperactivity. 
  2. ADHD is a chronic condition. It doesn't go away, but it may change. Often the hyperactivity diminishes or disappears as people age. Also, by the time they reach adulthood people have normally developed strategies which allow them to function in society, so the disorder isn't always as noticeable. That being said, there are plenty of adults with ADHD who are still struggling. Many of them don't even realize what their problem is, since their disorder was never diagnosed when they were young. 

"Why does it have to be an

"Why does it have to be an either-or solution?"  

So our kids don't end up walking around loaded with narcotics? So they don't suffer long term effects of these drugs? So they don't end up addicted to Ritalin? If we can treat this disorder or any other disorder WITHOUT the use of drugs then we should do so.

"Not everyone who takes psycho-stimulants, or gives them to their children, do so out of laziness. Many of them do lots of research and are very well informed. It is a choice, and like every other choice in life it has pros and cons which must be weighed. Don't judge people so harshly just because they made a different choice than you would of. You are not walking in their shoes and don't know what experiences may have shaped their decision."  

Horse Puckey!  Parents these can't be bothered to even help Junior do his homework much less spend a couple hours on Google researching  ADD od ADHD .

 

Really? You have personally

Really? You have personally interviewed and evaluated every single parent who gives their kid a psycho-stimulant medication? And I suppose you have conducted significant research on the effects of these drugs?

Didn't think so.

Look, I agree that any treatment plan for ADHD should include therapy and education. I also agree that treatment for ADHD should be contingent on through testing and an actual diagnosis of ADHD. However, I acknowledge that all indications currently point toward Ritalin being both safe and effective in the treatment of ADHD, when administered properly under a physician's care. So while I agree that medication should not be give to anyone lightly, I accept that there are some cases where it is warranted. Just as using the medication carries a a certain level of risk with it, withholding these treatments can also carry some risk. Ultimately the risks must be weighed on a case-by-case basis. 

I too am upset by the overuse of some of these medications, but that is no reason to demonize everyone who uses them. They have their place in some treatment regimens.

No and I Don't Need To

I haven't but come on....Parents (a majority of them) these days are lazy and generally un-involved with thier children's lives. I don't think a diagnosis of ADD/ADHD would improve them in any way. I'll also point out that people don't even ask anything about the medications that a Dr gives themselves or the kids. Proof? What do you know about the last prescription that your doctor gave you?

I have to agree with rkinne.

I have to agree with rkinne. 3 kids of mine non of them had ADHD. My sisters kid they said had it. His problem was no discipline. When we visited home they told us we were to strict. I said sorry but no way am I putting up with what you put up with. Funny thing is when they finally did start discipline the kid started getting straight As and he is going to one of the most prestigious colleges in the country.

 

Good for him. But when he was 6 and 7 he was a holy terror.

@rkinne I haven't but come

@rkinne

I haven't but come on....Parents (a majority of them) these days are lazy and generally un-involved with thier children's lives.

You are over generalizing. Even if your unsupported assessment is right and the majority of parents are lazy, a majority isn't the same as all. I have personally observed first-hand many parents that are very involved in their kids lives. Hell, I was brought up by parents who were very involved in my life. 

I don't think a diagnosis of ADD/ADHD would improve them in any way.

Actually, research has shown that a diagnosis can make a huge difference in the psychological well-being of someone suffering from ADHD. Just being able to name the problem can be very cathartic and can help people deal with their issues more productively.

I'll also point out that people don't even ask anything about the medications that a Dr gives themselves or the kids. Proof? What do you know about the last prescription that your doctor gave you?

Typically I do ask about the medications I take. Especially if we're talking about something on the level of psychiatric medications. But I also try to deal with medical professionals that I can trust. I accept the fact that I did not go to medical school and probably am not as well informed about treatment options as someone who spends their life studying and practicing medicine. The last prescription I got was for some anti-nausea medication, which is pretty benign stuff. Truthfully, I was incapable of doing any serious research at the time, but the prescribing physician was not only an excellent doctor, but also a close personal friend who I would trust with my life. I had little reason to suspect that the pills would do any long-term damage.

@MV

I have to agree with rkinne. 3 kids of mine non of them had ADHD. My sisters kid they said had it.

Who said he had it? There's some pretty involved testing that goes into a clinical diagnosis of ADHD. He's either got it or he doesn't. Unfortunately, there's been a fair amount of unofficial "diagnosing" of ADHD, which I agree is complete shit. It also greatly hurts the cause of those people who really do have the condition.

His problem was no discipline. When we visited home they told us we were to strict. I said sorry but no way am I putting up with what you put up with. Funny thing is when they finally did start discipline the kid started getting straight As and he is going to one of the most prestigious colleges in the country.

If that really was his problem, then he didn't have ADHD. ADHD is a chronic condition and it doesn't go away. That being said, creating structure in a child's life, with a certain amount of discipline, can be an important part of a treatment plan for ADHD. It's all in how it's carried out. And having ADHD doesn't necessarily mean someone won't excel in life. Often people with ADHD are extremely bright.

Who said he had it? There's

Who said he had it? There's some pretty involved testing that goes into a clinical diagnosis of ADHD. He's either got it or he doesn't. Unfortunately, there's been a fair amount of unofficial "diagnosing" of ADHD, which I agree is complete shit. It also greatly hurts the cause of those people who really do have the condition.

Oh man that poor kid was on every medication known to mankind for it. Once they took him off the meds and just started to say hey enough is enough the kid started to get straight A's. I think what is really cool is that my older sister said the boy would never amount to anything and he is doing very well. He was in Florida and saved a women while swimming from drowning.

Read On

@strange: I'm not generalizing at all. The high school drop out rate is going up (so much for No Child Left behind), teen pregnancy is on the rise (so much for Abstinence programs), and kids are committing more and more violent crimes(kids are bringing bombs to school).    Over involved parents are in short supply these days, I am afraid.  Involved parents don't have kids who drop out, rarely have pregnant teens, and certainly know what kids are taking to class.

"Actually, research has shown that a diagnosis can make a huge difference in the psychological well-being of someone suffering from ADHD. Just being able to name the problem can be very cathartic and can help people deal with their issues more productively."    I wasn't refering to the child I was talking about the parents. Parents don't look into the diseases their offspring are diagnosed with, they assume that the Dr is infallable without checking the facts.  Why is it so hard to Google ADHD, Cancer, AIDS, or any other disease? I don't think there is any reason for ignorance in the age of Google, when any information we need is only a few keystrokes away. Jesus, people know more about Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie than whats going on at home! Shameful. 

I have a life long disease,  when diagnosed I went out and learned  all I could about the disease and the various treatments of it.  I am glad that I did, I am involved in all the decision making for treatment including medication, excercise, and diet.  I do trust my doctor but she doesn't know everything about every disease, including mine.  I'm doing great now and I have actually reduced my need for medication due to a diet and excercise program that myself and my doctor were able to come up with.  I suspect my health wouldn't be as good as it now if I wasn't so involved with the medical management aspects. Parents should be required to take classes on a childs' affliction(s), so they can make decisions based upon the facts as they know them!

DON"T BLINDLY FOLLOW ANY MEDICAL EXPERT ALWAYS DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS!

 

Good for you rkinne. That is

Good for you rkinne. That is the way to take charge of your life. To many people just want to take a pill and have it go away.

Why is it so hard to Google

Why is it so hard to Google ADHD, Cancer, AIDS, or any other disease? I don't think there is any reason for ignorance in the age of Google, when any information we need is only a few keystrokes away.

It's very easy to Google these things. The hard part is being able to critically analyze what you find and synthesize it into something meaningful. We can't all be an expert in everything and most people don't have the skills to do that successfully. And when it comes to something as complex as human neurophysiology, few of us have the scientific background to understand the issues on anything more than a superficial level. 

Of course I agree you should research your illnesses to the best of your ability. Especially when potentially dangerous treatment is suggested. However, you shouldn't presume to be an expert just because you read a couple of articles online. Don't assume something is true just because someone wrote it down. Don't assume something is true just because you want it to be true. And there's no reason to assume that being an expert would make someone less knowledgeable. That's just dumb and it goes for doctors too. They've spent a hell of a lot more time studying this stuff than you. So see a specialist and get a second opinion, but until you find out otherwise it is safer to assume your doctor is probably right.