The Gay Agenda?
What the hell? I hear this all the time yet can never find any proof of any "agenda", must be the in the minds of these christian nut jobs.
Myth 1: Gay people hang in schools to molest children or to convert them. Want a sure fire way to have your kids molested? Send them to a catholic church. A vast majority of gay people have zero sexual interest in children, while priests seem to REALLY like kids.
Myth 2: Gay people want special rights. Since when is wanting equal rights the same as special rights? Gay people pay taxes, hold political office, and work jobs just like anyone else!
Myth 3: Homosexuals want to destroy the institution of marriage. Huh? With a 50% divorce rate in this country hetrosexuals are doing pretty good job destroy the sacred institution all on our own. The only threat to marriage is divorce or death.
Myth 4: Gays would undermine the moral of the military recruits. Wasn't this the same argument made against women, African Americans, and other minorities? News flash for you macho types: When in a fox hole being shot at, the gay guy next to you isn't thinking about doing you, and mostly likely isn't interested in you any other time either. Get over it and move on.
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Agreed, and I'm straight ...
Agreed, and I'm straight but that should not matter when simply stating facts or agreeing with them. Your facts are right on, just that, plain and simple facts.
Now we will see the real agenda in this issue, the republican "holier than thou" types (even though they are often GAY and publicly acting out on it with Complete Strangers while making laws against being gay for hundreds of millions of the rest of us). They will make claims that these are not facts but with nothing to back up their claims. All they have it "the bible says so" and such idiocy. The bible? Which "the bible"? And which men wrote that? They are ALL written by men.
I've said it many many times and will say it again. I could care less what men or women do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. It DOES however come into the criminal justice arena when they publicly display such acts or foist them upon minor children. There are limits to everything. Republican Senator Craig crossed that line and crossed it BADLY. He also crossed the line of hypocrisy so many times and so blatantly that it is not only far from being funny it's downright criminal too.
Just like drinking is not allowed in public or for minors, sexual behavior between an adult and other minors, or between adults in Public, is forbidden and for Good Reason.
Sounds like if you're ...
Sounds like if you're accepting of gay people you must be a Democrat. I know several "burn gays in hell" Democrats. I didn't know one's party affiliation had a damn thing to do with either being gay or supporting them. People who do shameful/unlawful things in public deserve to be publicly ridiculed and punished. I also believe the White House belongs to THE PEOPLE and as such IS A PUBLIC PLACE. Craig will be going home to nothing left of his life. Too bad the same thing thing didn't happen to pretty boy Clinton!
very well put, rkinne!
very well put, rkinne!
myth 1 is only one I ...
myth 1 is only one I disagree with. Many people who go out of their way to work with children should be watched. Not "suspected", just an eye kept on them. Molesters go where the children are. Where are the children? In schools, in parks, at amusement parks, in church youth groups, etc etc. They prefer to find kids who are emotionally easy to get to. You're not gonna find them working at an old folks home. So we must be vigilant and be cautious about those working in close proximity to our kids.
Secondly there are as many, if not more Protestant youth leaders, preachers etc molesting kids, you just don€™t hear about it because those types tend to be more liberal and the media doesn€™t want THAT sort of thing publicized. I have worked many many child molestation and child sexual assault cases, none of which involved catholic priests. In fact, in the nearly ten years I€™ve been in law enforcement I have yet to meet an officer who has worked a case involving a catholic priest. The catholic church is the largest money naking entity on the planet. People are going after that money. Less than one quarter of one percent of all sex abuse claims made against a catholic priest turns out to be a valid allegation.
The majotity of all child sex abusers are Hispanic males of many professions. Crime statistics overwhelmingly indicate that your child is more likely to be violated by a Hispanic male than anyone else. Those are facts, not an opinion. What the perv does for a living is of no importance.
And TGIX please, thats all I can say...please dude, you're making a fool of yourslef again lately, it's sad man.
However rkinne01, the statement you make about most gays not being interested in children is true. As many sex abuse cases involve straight perps as gay ones. It's actually pretty equal. Pervs are pervs, ones sexual preferences has no bearing on whether someone is going to molest a child or rape a child.
"The catholic church is ...
"The catholic church is the largest money naking entity on the planet. People are going after that money. Less than one quarter of one percent of all sex abuse claims made against a catholic priest turns out to be a valid allegation."
Let's take that one at a time:
"The catholic church is the largest money naking entity on the planet." I'm sure you meant to say "making", but what that has to do with the systematic abuse of little boys is beyond me. The corruption has been proven to go right to the TOP - to the Vatican - where the church as in fact secreted off a number of priests to protect them from international extradition treaties which do not apply there. How that can be construed to be people just trying to get money from the church since they have so much, protecting even ADMITTED child molesters, is beyond comprehension.
"Less than one quarter of one percent of all sex abuse claims made against a catholic priest turns out to be a valid allegation." - What source do you cite? I dont' see any. This will be interesting.
The fact is that literally THOUSANDS of cases have been proven in a court of law wherein catholic priests have indeed molested young minor boys in their charge. That is the most vile of all sexual abuses. They weren't just young children in their care, they were led to believe that what they were being coerced to do was under the name of GOD!!!! I can not think of a lowlier preditor than the priest who would do such a thing. Can you??
Now you can try and claim that others are worse, that this didn't happen, that Republican Senator Larry Craig wasn't a scumbag of the highest order for what he did IN PUBLIC, Gay Sex IN PUBLIC with TOTAL STRANGERS but you would still be wrong. Call all the names you want, say that his critics like me are "sad" people making (in your words) a fool of "yourslef" but the only fool is the person who actually believes such rubbish. That man made laws for literally HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of us AGAINST - I repeat AGAINST the VERY things HE WAS DOING. If that isn't hypocrisy than there is no such thing as hypocrisy and I assure you t here IS and he is the poster boy of it. He is a REPUBLICAN and you just Can NOT Stand that so you have to try to put down the ones who point out how far impossibly LEFT your beloved REPUBLICAN party has swung. They aren't the keepers of morality as they profess. They NEVER WERE. They are the keepers of HYPOCRISY and nothing more, nothing less. Sex with Complete Strangers in PUBLIC places, GAY sex no less while trying to outlaw that and rights for gays... Get real. You have a LOT of self introspection to do slappy and ALL other Republicans.
The gig is up. Your guys, your gays, have been caught red handed in the act. The chickens have come home to roost. Give it up. It's a lost cause. Join the party that has morals far beyond that sort of thing. At least democrats aren't doing these things with members of the same sex in public. That there is a HUGE Difference!!!!!!!!!! And they ARE NOT trying to outlaw what they do themselves. HUGE Difference again!!!!!!
Hypocrisy is the LOWEST of life forms. Republicans can't seem to get that through their skulls.
In the book that just came out Bush himself professes to be a crybaby....... It's too late to try and appear to be human when you are slaughtering tens or even hundreds of thousands of people (tens of thousands of them OUR OWN!). Sorry! The attempt to rewrite history just doesn't work any more. People woke up. We're not half as dumb as you think. Get real for a moment.
"The catholic church is ...
"The catholic church is the largest money naking entity on the planet.€ I€™m sure you meant to say €œmaking€, but what that has to do with the systematic abuse of little boys is beyond me" - Most of the people making the allegations are after a piece of that money pie.
"The fact is that literally THOUSANDS of cases have been proven in a court of law wherein catholic priests have indeed molested young minor boys in their charge" What is YOUR source for this information. In my 40 years I've only seen a handful of priests convicted of any wrong doing out of the thousands of allegations. Again, people are just after the money.
"I can not think of a lowlier preditor than the priest who would do such a thing. Can you??" No I can't.
"Now you can try and claim that others are worse, that this didn€™t happen," - I never even hinted this didn't happen. If fact in one of the earlier posts I said he was a dipshit for doing what he did.I further stated he deserves everything that happens to him and I am laughing at him. I 'm not understanding why you are claiming I ever said he did nothing wrong.Could you find that, cut and paste it here so I could see it. Oh wait, you can't because I didn't. Craig is a fuckstick and he deserves to get aids during one of his buttplug sessions with one of his ass pals.
"They are the keepers of HYPOCRISY and nothing more, nothing less. " - I would say find me a demo that isn't but you can't so I won't.
"Hypocrisy is the LOWEST of life forms." - The demo party that I have seen for the last 30 years bases their very existence on that concept.
"(tens of thousands of them OUR OWN!)." - You're gonna have to explain THAT one because less than 4000 of "OUR OWN" have been killed while volunteering to fight in this war.
Someone else said: ( ...
Someone else said: ( although I changed a word )
"So TGIX Gerry Studs who had an affair with a 17 year old male page is not a PERV? Not to mention the democrats gave him a standing ovation after the censor. Your party is so fracking hypocritical it isn€™t even funny. It ok if a democrat is perv but if a republican is itsssssssss Evillllllll"
Any questions ?
The differences are (once ...
The differences are (once again) it wasn't in a PUBLIC Restroom where our children go. AND it wasn't a senator, like the republican, who Quite VERY aqgressively attacked gays while being gay himself with COMPLETE STRANGERS. That's perverted and hypocritical almost beyond belief. The only reason it's not beyond belief is that it was a republican and this is what we have learned to expect of them. Bush and Cheney will be outed eventually. Just look at either of them. They're both gay. It shows.
LOL !!! Thats hilarious. ...
LOL !!! Thats hilarious. And Hillary will reveal she IS in fact Bill Clinton without a brain. Well, the brain part is implied but you know what I'm saying. Every single person holding public office is a hypocrite AND a crook. There's not one who isn't. It should not come as any surprise to someone of your intellect and political savvy.
Slappy--- you cannot carry ...
Slappy--- you cannot carry on an educated conversation with an unarmed man. I have decided some people are short one french fry of a Happy Meal. It is quite evident that some people are cerebrally challenged. I love to debate when it makes sense, but this is like flogging a dead horse and just about as much fun.
yea but I like to argue ...
yea but I like to argue with him. It gets funny sometimes.
well, being the catholic ...
well, being the catholic that I am, I would "like" to disagree with #1 and say that after all that fiasco of the molestings and such that they have weeded out most of the bad ones and do NOT tolerate any more of that bullshit!
although I am NOT saying that the gays molest either, NO, I'm not saying that, I just HOPE that it's not happening anymore with the priests!
I just think that the ...
I just think that the catholic ones are more broadcast because they get the better ratings. People just think, "Oh, another perve Cath. preist.."
and buy the paper to watch that news broadcast, almost like it is expected.
I think that anyone in a ...
I think that anyone in a position of authority and trust is going to make headlines a lot more often for child molestation. Preist happen to be the #1 figure when it comes to trust. Notice when you see an educational program about child molesters it's always an uncle,teacher,coach or scoutmaster? Never a preist.
If I were a senator I'd vote to keep Craig around. That way if I were accused of doing something stupid like drunk driving, drugs, motel room with 2 midgets and a goat ect. I could always point to him to keep me off of page one.
LOL, the scapegoat theory, ...
LOL, the scapegoat theory, always someone ELSE to blame!! LOL!!
of course there is a ...
of course there is a problem with other churches but i think that the catholic church gets a bigger write up because of how the church (higher ups) tried to hide what was happening and moving priests around when there were complaints. as for those idiots in Washington i don't think that there is one honest one. they might start out honest but once they get there they change. D&R both.
hehe, you said scapegoat. lol.
hehe, you said scapegoat. lol.
gay people are cool to ...
gay people are cool to hang around. they usually are the best dressed, hvae the cleanest homes, and usually are pretty friendly. Besides who else can you go to a bar with and not worry about them hitting on you.
Don't you just love it ...
Don't you just love it when they stereotype gays!!!!!!!! There are some truckers out there who could give Hulk Hogan a run for his money. I personally know two great guys that anyone would say you were lying if you told them the guys were gay. Kat--- you are right--- they make very loyal friends--- the hormones don't get in the way!
some of my better friends ...
some of my better friends are gay!!
cool folks to have around, will do anything for you if they can!!
and GREAT with kids!!!
snowkat1995 said, "gay ...
snowkat1995 said,
"gay people are cool to hang around. they usually are the best dressed, hvae the cleanest homes, and usually are pretty friendly. Besides who else can you go to a bar with and not worry about them hitting on you."
If they're of the same gender they DO tend to hit on you, or at least me and every other guy in sight when they're guys. It is FAR worse than the meat markets are for the women when guys are after them because it's just Freaky Slimy Weird that they assume you're fair game even in what are generally considered to be "straight" places. I've been hit on by guys more in regular places than when with a female friend in "The Hippo" (a Baltimore gay bar, not sure if it's stilla round) that she once (way back when, like 27 or so years ago) insisted we go check out just for the experience (I agreed but only for a half hour at most). It was freaky weird and she went to the lady's room and I got hit on kinda, almost, once, I think. In other, regular, straight places, I've been hit on as many as several times in an hour or three and I dress a LOT more conservative than I did back then. So what's up? My appearance hasn't changed except for the straighter look if anything. It seems they're just much more aggressive all the time. I could do without that. And some of my BEST friends have been gay but things are just getting out of hand more and more every year. Maybe they don't hit on you snowkat1995 but that's not the case for everyone. They absolutely DO seem to be MUCH more promiscuous and some of us find that at least a tad offensive.
The gay lifestyle is based ...
The gay lifestyle is based on perversion and deviance.
LOL !!!!! Ya know its ...
LOL !!!!! Ya know its funny, I really think TGIX is a closet repub. He rants like a lunatic against the war, which is fine, he's entitled to his opinion on that; but when it comes to crime,homosexuals, and several other topics he preaches the same stuff we repubs do. Anybody else notice that?
I think all his militant pro-demo crap is more or less a "reverse psychology" thing he's using to get more people to support the repubs. Although we don't really need more, we obviously have all we need to keep the demopukes out of office for most of the last 40 years. I think every so often American votes a demo in just out of pity. Ya know how like the little dipshit kid at the playground that nobody plays with, but once in a while they let him in.
What is so perverted about ...
What is so perverted about the Gay lifestyle Slappy? I'm sure you do freaky deviant crap in your bedroom (according to the bible anything but the missionary position is perverted as is oral sex).
TGIX, so what if you're hit on by man? Do the same thing you'd do if it was a woman hitting on you...smile and say not interested.
Yes but our heterosexual ...
Yes but our heterosexual lifestyle is not BASED on deviancy and perversion.The unnatural sexual union of two people of the same gender is just that, unnatural, and purely sexual, nothing else. I am not saying I'm anti-gay, I'm simply stating a fact. It sounds extra corny but I, along with many of you, have gay friends and relatives. No biggy. Again, just stating the known facts.
I don't believe that a gay ...
I don't believe that a gay relationship is purely sexual. Just as hetero couples have the "in depth" (not literaly, but emotionally...and no pun intended) sexual relationship, the gay or bisexual encounter is as well, I would assume. I have always had a gay friend at each point in my life, and he has always been the most emotional and trustworthy friend I have ever had.
But how can you say it is JUST sexual. They tend to be just as emotional as straight people.....the only difference is prefference.
My son grew up with this ...
My son grew up with this kid ( Big Mike) that everyone suspected was gay but he could play ball so nobody cared. One day at lunch he admitted to it and started crying in the cafeteria. This Fonzie wannabe started making fun of him so Mike left. Fonz followed him so of course everyone else followed them to the parking lot. Fonz spit on Big Mikes car. Big Mike (6'3" 280 pounds) beat the shit out of poor Fonz. All the kids pulled out their phones and recorded the incident. Sexual harassment of another student can get you arrested so Mike being 17 and Fonz being 19 (an adult) the school and cops called it even and no charges were filed.
The kids circulated the video via e-mail of Fonz on his knees in the parking lot crying with big mike standing over him. The caption read: I HAVE TO TO LIVE WITH BEING A FAGGOT AND NOW YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH HAVING HAD ONE KICK YOUR ASS!
I guess gay doesn't = can't fight.
TGIX, this is not always ...
TGIX, this is not always true. I had a gay roommate when I lived in the barracks. She was cool. We talked about all the gay misconceptions thta people had. She told me like this: A gay man will not usually hit on a stragiht friend. A gay woman is the same. She told me that the reason most gay people will not hit on their straight friends or straight people in general is because they for whatever reason know that person is not gay and they will not return the offer. I hope this is making sense. It was a long time ago that we chatted so I am working off memory. If you want to go to a bar with a gay person be it male or female no one will usually bother you if you are with your friend. By the time you make it to the bar your gay friend has told everyone that you are straight. Unless you have bad friends.
Vulcan, Jerry Lewis ...
Vulcan,
Jerry Lewis should be fired. Period. Just like Imus. fair is fair, he did an equally socially offensive thing and should be punished for it.
I thought Jerry Lewis ...
I thought Jerry Lewis looked drunk as hell when he was walking towards the camera man. He is a huge old, OLD mess, and his tired old ass should be gone.
Can Jerry lewis be fired? ...
Can Jerry lewis be fired? Isn't it his charity?
For all you homophobes out there, the "gay lifestyle" is not deviant, based only on sex or any less normal then any other union, it is documented in every culture I can think of and much of the animal kingdom, including our closest relations. I'm sure some gay relationships are based only on sex (ala our friend the senator) but many are not, just like straight people. Some bi-people are only sexually bi (ie, a woman would have sex with a woman, but not marry one), but that's about the only example of what slappy was talking about that I could think of. I feel sorry for your "friends" that are gay. I hope they don't suspect that you think so poorly of them. I know gay people who are in long term relationships, ones who are eternal batchlors, ones who get freaky and ones who have quiet sex lives. They are, in fact, just like everyone else. They ARE everyone else. They have just as much right to live their lives like any straight person, to meet and talk to and maybe hit on anyone at anytime, just like straight people. To suggest that they can't or shouldn't is tantamont to suggesting that black people shouldn't eat at the white lunch counter.
I agree with some of what ...
I agree with some of what you said. When you take into account the fact a very very very small number of gay people are genetically predisposed to being gay, it strengthens that fact the majority of gay people CHOOSE to be gay. And THAT choice is based on the deviant perversion that is the filthy sex they are attracted to. I think the small number that have the genetic defect that makes them attracted to the same sex are not so flamboyant about their gayness, and therefore keep it more to themselves. These are the ones that do not fit into the category I speak of. Fact is most gays made the choice to be gay, for what ever reason. Their dad was mean to them so they hate men, their moms were mean to them so they hate women, whatever. Who knows what makes them choose the lifestyle. However, those ones are the ones that are in it for the perversion. The bi-sexual lifestyle is ONLY and TOTALLY based on perversion and promiscuity. There is no acceptable reason for that type of behavior. Although, seeing to hot women going at it is totally hot.
A: how do you know what ...
A: how do you know what percentage of gay people have a "defect" that makes them so?
B: Did you choose to be straight?
C: if you like looking at two women having "filthy perverted" sex, does that not make you filthy and perverted too? How do you reconsile the fact that you think there is no acceptable reason for bi people to act the way they do with the fact that you like to watch them do it?
The last part was a joke. ...
The last part was a joke. Trying to lighten the mood on this rant a bit. I think people are getting too angry to effectiely listen to what others are saying. We usuallt can have strong disagreements with everybody getting all pissy. Just tryin to keep it light. The "defect" is THE genetic difference that makes the smaller part of the gay population gay. As I said the others CHOOSE the lifestyle. Being gay and choosing to live a gay "lifestyle" are different. Ask a gay person. They'll tyell you. Thats where I got most of my info. Some of it while posting back and forth on this rant. I keep trying to get the gay person I'm speaking to about some of this to join peeves but she won't.
What exactly do you mean ...
What exactly do you mean by gay lifestyle?
I think we must be talking ...
I think we must be talking about different things, and that's what's causing the hub-bub.